You're Always Connected with Suzanne Giesemann

[00:00:01] The following podcast is part of the MindBodySpirit.fm podcast network. Looking for a fun take on modern spirituality? You've come to the right place. From new thought tools to the science behind the metaphysics, dive into interviews with the most interesting people in open spirituality and self-development. It's the Big Universe, and I'm your host, Jim Lefter.

[00:00:31] Hi, everybody. Welcome. This is Big Universe. I'm so very grateful to have you here with us today. Hi, I'm Jim Lefter. I'm a spiritual journeyman kind of guy and media producer. I've been doing this podcast thing for a while now, believe it or not. And you know what? I'm actually having more fun than ever. So thank you for coming along today. It is so cool to have today's guest with me. Now, I have to be honest and say, with some of this material, I'm sometimes a believer,

[00:01:00] not specifically of Suzanne, but I'm sometimes a believer of stuff. I'm sometimes a skeptic about stuff. Sometimes I'm all over the place. But I love the dive we're going to do into this adventure today. And I'm fascinated by Suzanne's unexpected journey into this whole world. So I definitely want to learn more. Suzanne, thank you for coming on Big Universe. Thank you, Jim. Always fun to talk about my passion.

[00:01:27] Suzanne Giesemann is a spiritual teacher, author, and medium recognized on the Watkins list of the 100 most spiritually influential people, living people. A former Navy commander in aid to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, she has published 17 books and many, many very cool YouTube videos reaching millions of viewers. You have to check that out online.

[00:01:51] She hosts the Always Connected podcast, which is on the same podcast network that I'm on, mindbodyspirit.fm. So you got to check that out in the same app if you have it. Suzanne shares The Awakened Way, a mindful approach to living an awareness that we're not only human, but we're part of one interconnected web of consciousness. Suzanne, I really enjoyed your books.

[00:02:16] Her latest book is Always Connected, How to Find Comfort, Clarity, and Direction from the Spirit Within. And I also dove into making the afterlife connection because I really wanted to get a sense of your path to all this because I find it fascinating. So would you mind talking about your background a little bit and how you kind of found your way to this experience? Sure. Yeah.

[00:02:45] You talked about being that Navy commander. That was what I thought was going to be my only path. And then I'd retire and go sailing into the sunset with my husband. Yeah. I did that. I did that. But I went sailing into the sunset because I was in the last aircraft in U.S. airspace on 9-11. Wow. And I just decided we have this dream. I'm going to go live it while we can. And there was another commander, same rank as I was, who was killed on 9-11. And I was stationed at the Pentagon.

[00:03:17] So witnessing all of that tragedy, I just ran away from it all. And we went cruising. But unfortunately, life caught up with me with the death of my stepdaughter, who was a sergeant in the Marine Corps. Killed in a way you just never would expect. She was crossing the flight line at work and was struck and killed by lightning. Wow. A lightning strike out of the blue. Yeah. I see now from my new perspective that this is all.

[00:03:46] It's I feel that being the aide to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, it was not just any job. That's right up there at the top. And the way my stepdaughter was killed gets people's attention. So I feel that my background got people's attention on purpose so that they would pay attention now to the messages I'm so blessed to share that I discovered after Susan's death that we don't die. We are conscious beings who continue after the body dies, for sure, the body dies.

[00:04:15] But we remain sentient and can communicate back and forth with those still in a body. And so I just opened up these abilities. But because of my background, I insist on evidence, the kind of things I couldn't possibly know that you wouldn't find online. And I need to feel the presence of those in spirit. And I really do. Oh, that's awesome.

[00:04:40] And I think it gives so much more emphasis to your path because you've had this different approach to life and different career for so long that you're into this. And, you know, the transition, what I guess, what would your previous Navy self say about what you're doing now and the experiences you're having now? My previous Navy self.

[00:05:07] Well, I can tell you, I found a book on mediumship six weeks before Susan passed. I had already retired, but I came across that while we were sailing in Italy, off the coast of Italy. And I just thought it was ridiculous, the things that were claimed in that book, things that alleged souls were allegedly doing across the veil. And I actually threw the book out. But when I saw Susan's lifeless body in the coffin, it triggered the memories of that book.

[00:05:35] And I just knew that there was something that enlivens these bodies because it was no longer in that body I was looking at. Her body looks so different from the vital, vibrant young woman I knew so well and loved. And so if I hadn't found that book, which clearly I was meant to, I don't know how I would have reacted. But I started meditating that day with the intention of connecting personally with Susan.

[00:06:04] And I eventually did, but actually started connecting with other people's loved ones before she showed up to me. Wow. Wow. First, I want to say, I feel for you and I'm very sorry for this experience that you had, this tragedy. I have a son. I can only imagine the experience. Agony. Yes. Yes. But I also am grateful for your path and what you're bringing to folks.

[00:06:36] What was your spiritual like prior to all this, prior to, you know, having this awakening? Yeah, that's the thing. I had no spirituality and no religion either. My parents were, I think probably one was agnostic, one was atheist. They didn't talk about it. They took us to church when I was five, a Unitarian church for just a little while. I feel they probably felt they had to do something or they wanted to socialize and like the donuts afterwards. I don't know, but it didn't last long.

[00:07:05] Often the case. Often the case. Yeah. Yeah. And so that didn't last and that was that. So I grew up in a very secular family and I actually now appreciate that because so many people were told what to believe growing up, depending on who their parents were. Right. And so you're going to have a different belief system based on your parents and your culture and your country. And I didn't have any of that to question.

[00:07:33] I based my newfound beliefs on personal experience. That's really good because, you know, I grew up in the Greek Orthodox Church and I wasn't, I kind of never quite got into it, but I got into it enough that I had to deal with those.

[00:07:54] That mindset in terms of the approach to spirituality that I don't have any longer, but it is a process for a lot of us to kind of learn a different perspective. It may be fine for some folks and that's great, but the shift that you're talking about, I get and I appreciate that your parents were open to, you know, let you that space to kind of delve into that.

[00:08:22] Oh, I would correct you there, Jim. They weren't open to anything. They didn't encourage my exploration at all. I was cut off from any spirituality. So it was only after Susan's passing that I needed answers. So I started asking for those answers in meditation and I got them. So it's a good thing.

[00:08:48] What was your first experience of this communication with Susan? The first one was Susan didn't come for three years. So it's very important. And I meditated every day. I was not going to give up. So it's important to share right up front that she came to me a few years ago that when she came to me after three years, that was. 2010.

[00:09:14] So about three years ago now, she came through it, but she comes through often. But she said, you know, I deliberately held back. I didn't come through it for all those years because this is the path you're supposed to be on. And you had a lot to learn in meditation. And if I had come right away or even after a few months, you would have literally said mission accomplished and stopped. And she's absolutely right.

[00:09:43] So it was because of my commitment to connecting with her that I just day after day would sit quietly, still the mind, look and listen to what was happening, start communicating with the presences that I did feel. And that's what developed my abilities as a medium and as a channeler now of higher guides. Interesting.

[00:10:04] When you made that transition, what I mean, what was the first indication that you were indeed communicating with her? Because I know you being, you being, you know, from your background. Yeah. I know the first indication that I was accessing something greater than the physical was when I started to know things about other people here, psychic abilities.

[00:10:30] I didn't know the future, but I just knew where people were from. And if they weren't telling the truth, I could tell that. Yeah. And so that came online. But the first indication I was communicating with actual discarnate souls was when I sat in the back of a classroom of a medium named Janet Nohavik. I was tasked and agreed to write her biography. And I figured, well, I better attend her classes so I can write what she teaches about and her style.

[00:11:00] So I sat back there as she was teaching a group of about 20 potential mediums. And I was fascinated. Wow. You can learn systems to tune into those in the spirit world. By this time, I knew the spirit world was real from my own experiences going to a medium with my husband. Yeah. But I thought, wow, that's really cool. And then all of a sudden, Janet put me on the spot and stunned me when she said, Suzanne, you can do this too.

[00:11:29] And there's a spirit here. I want you to come to the front and connect with him. You know, the Navy officer in me is going to say, aye, aye. You know, I can do that. I'm not going to, you know, can do. That's the way you're trained. But the human sodomy said, are you kidding? Can a hole open up in the floor and swallow me up? I can't do that. I had been meditating two years at that point every day.

[00:11:55] And I didn't realize that was spraining me for this moment when I just quieted my mind, standing there in front of everybody and tuned in and said, who's here? Now, the key was belief that I could do it. I didn't know that I could do it, but Janet did. And I trusted her. And Janet said there was a spirit there. And I know she had a clear connection.

[00:12:25] She has since passed. But I knew she wouldn't put me on the spot like that if there weren't a spirit there. So I tuned in and I listened. And actually, this whole scene we recreated in a documentary called Messages of Hope. It's on Amazon Prime. I saw it. It was really good. It was really interesting. Yeah. And so I brought through. I just felt like I was pulling data out of the air, but I brought through the information that the spirit was male and that he passed from cancer.

[00:12:52] He had been an engineer and he passed at age 70. Feels like data, right? So only 20 people in the room. One of the women raises her hand. She says, that sounds like my dad. Well, there's male. He died at age 70 from cancer and he was an engineer. And I just remember standing there saying, OK, what are the odds of that? You know, this is just chance.

[00:13:19] But then Janet rocked my world by saying, yeah, yeah, that feels right. And his birthday was, I can't remember exactly, March 31st. And he had a ball cap collection. He's showing me that. Now, Janet could see the spirits. I'm seeing nothing. Yeah. And this girl said, yeah, he had that ball cap collection and his birthday was March 31st. And I am sitting there saying, you mean this guy's really here? Yeah. So I'm ready to sit down. And Janet says, get some more.

[00:13:49] And I remember tuning into something. I don't remember what it was. Then she gave a couple more things. And I looked at her and I said, may I sit down now? And she said, no, just push yourself a little more, Suzanne. That was the moment that changed my life because I just listened and I looked and I couldn't see a spirit. But I saw a pair of black patent leather shoes like Navy officers wear. I reported that out loud.

[00:14:17] And I said, and I just heard the word, the name Twinkle Toes. And the girl says, yeah, my dad was a ballroom dancer. He wore those patent leather shoes all the time. And my mother always called him Twinkle Toes. Wow. Oh, I thought, you mean I really can do this too?

[00:14:38] So I moved from the back of the class to the front of the class, started taking notes for myself, paired up with the other students in the class the whole weekend and was getting information about their loved ones. And I thought, oh, my God, if I can provide healing to anybody, like the one medium we went to and Susan came through that first time that changed our lives. That's what led me to write books about mediums was I needed people to know this was real. I said, I'm all in.

[00:15:08] So I traveled to England where Janet had studied, studied with the best mediums. You know, a one week class. That's all you learn the basics. Then it's a matter of doing it, getting the practice. And I committed myself to that. So meditation, I want to talk, if we can, a little bit about getting our place where we can do this. Because is it something that everybody has the ability to?

[00:15:36] Are some people gifted with it and others aren't? Here's the deal. Yeah. Mediumship, connecting with loved ones who have passed, yours or others, is soul to soul communication. You're not communicating with your physical senses. We are all souls. You come to know this through doing the practice. And so you shift your identity from I'm only human to what if I'm a soul?

[00:16:01] Then let me be still and let these spirits connect with me through the screen of my mind, through my non-physical senses. Let me just listen. So if you, I have, I teach classes on how to quiet the mind, how to balance the brain and become a coherent field of consciousness. And so, yeah, we all can learn to connect.

[00:16:27] It's definitely a calling to be a medium and takes a lot more dedication and practice. Yeah. I like how you say in the book that when you're in this space, it's more of a merging of energies or a connection of energies. Am I getting that right? When you're making that connection. Is that right?

[00:16:55] I call it merging because that allows us to visualize two energy fields that are kind of overlapping, but actually no movement of the fields takes place in as far as moving from point A to point B. It's more of like, think of tuning forks. One vibrates with a certain frequency. The other finds a match and vibrates with that. So it's a transfer of information through resonance.

[00:17:21] But it feels like you're merging because you can feel what information they're sharing with you. You feel their presence through the vibration. Meditation was key for you. What kind of ways can we get into that meditation? I'll be honest and say, I want to meditate. I sometimes meditate. But it's challenging for me.

[00:17:50] And I know that's a mind thing that I need to get past. What kind of advice can you give me about that? Go to YouTube and do a search for Suzanne Giesemann's Sip of the Divine. SIP. SIP of the Divine. It's just a three-minute practice that trains you to observe what passes through the mind and to sit as the pure presence that the soul is. And without any layers of story put on top of it.

[00:18:20] So the reason it works in connecting is it takes away the two main excuses for meditation. Most people say, I don't have the time. And it's only three minutes. Right. Everybody can find three minutes for a sip of coffee. So do a sip of the divine. And everybody says, I can't quiet my mind. And you're absolutely correct. We cannot ever quiet the mind.

[00:18:45] But you can watch, observe what arises in the mind, notice it, and let it go. That practice actually slows down the monkey mind and allows space for what spirit wants you to pay attention to, to bubble up in awareness. And it stands out.

[00:19:10] And then people, I encourage people to do the sip of the divine every day, three minutes a day for three weeks and see how that's working for you. And many, many, many, many people feel, well, now I'm ready to sit a little longer. And that's a good thing because it's been proven physiologically. It takes us two to three minutes to really settle. So you're just getting settled by the time you're finished. Your alarm goes off at three minutes.

[00:19:34] But at seven minutes, you enter into a deeper state of coherence. And now you really have a much greater chance of connecting more clearly with loved ones who have passed and guides. I will take your advice and look into that further, because I think I can use the guidance in getting to that place. Yeah. And then I also have my seven steps for connecting with higher consciousness.

[00:20:03] These are on YouTube and also on the gifts page of my website, suzangeism.com. So I love to make all of this available free to people. The seven steps to connecting with higher consciousness uses an acronym. Military people love acronyms. You don't know that. And that like sip of the divine, right? This one is the bless me method where those seven letters take you from normal waking consciousness to the optimal state for connecting. So this is like Janet first showed me. There are systems.

[00:20:33] These are my systems. But you train your nervous system to enter a coherent state. Those in spirit tell us they can see the shift in our energy field. And it's like, oh, good. Now they'll hear me. You mentioned the three E's, educate, experience, and engage. Yeah. What is that exactly?

[00:20:57] All of my teaching about why this is possible and who we are falls under what I call the awakened way of living. You mentioned that in the biography. It's a conscious path to living connected with the wholeness of who we are and what we're part of. And so to live that way, those three E's will keep you on the path.

[00:21:19] Educate yourself by watching programs like this, watching my videos, taking classes, reading, learning about near-death experiences so you can understand the greater reality from other people's personal experience. But that education will only take you so far. And that's where the E experience comes in. You need to have your own, what I call NOEs, no other explanation moments.

[00:21:45] And those will happen when you are committed to doing those practices every day, even if it's only three minutes a day. I have seven people working for me now, and three of them have children across the veil. They've used my methods and within weeks connected with their children personally, with evidence. They play these games that I teach.

[00:22:11] I call it the sign game or asking your loved ones, tell me something I don't know going on in somebody else's life. Like, tell me what your sister's up to right now. And they do. And you get validations, even though in your heart you know, oh my God, this is them. Yeah. Yeah. I believe in the signs. You know, I believe in finding that information coming from the universe. I do.

[00:22:40] But I guess the question that comes up when anybody talks about this is, well, why don't they just call me? Why don't they just tell me directly, you know, instead of just giving me a hint, why don't I hear a voice that talks about it? You know, why is it? Because you have this thing called a body. And it's a filter of the frequency that's right here. Picture a TV network with multiple channels and you are dialed into this channel.

[00:23:09] That is your channel, your frequency. You're not going to pick up on the other channels because that's your channel. But you can train yourself to attune to the other channel. Those in spirit are not in some far off place. It's a different channel. And this body's not programmed for it normally. And our focus of attention here keeps us constricted in our awareness. We can learn to widen the lens of perception.

[00:23:36] Are there any dangers in, you know, trying to do this communication? Yeah. Yeah. One big danger, and I don't talk about it much, is that when you have these wow experiences, it really can inflate the ego. And so people suddenly think they're special or important or ready to do readings and they're not, or they might start connecting and they're doing it not from a place of wanting to help and heal, but a place of wanting to impress.

[00:24:06] And that's going to cut the connection off. So that's part of the journey, realizing we're all special. There are unique gifts that open up, but how to use them appropriately is a challenge. Dangers, some people open up too quickly. And they're not able to function in a healthy way in this reality. Interesting.

[00:24:35] I'd like to encourage people to watch the documentary we produce called Wolf's Message. It's based on my book, Wolf's Message. Did you have a chance to see that one? I didn't get a chance to see that one, but I'm going to, yeah. Yeah, it's on Gaia TV. That's a subscription platform, but Tubi TV as well. T-U-B-I is a free streaming platform on almost everybody's TV and device. And Wolf's Message is on there.

[00:25:02] It talks about a young man who was also struck and killed by lightning. His nickname was Wolf. He came back through me with a pretty astounding evidence. He left verifiable evidence that he knew he was going to be killed by lightning, where it would happen. It's almost impossible to watch the film and not say, wow.

[00:25:24] But I bring him up now because in the reading I did for his parents, he pointed at his head and he said to me, it was very busy in here. I was in two worlds at once and couldn't turn it off. And his dad confirmed. He has a picture of him pointing at the head. He used to say that all the time. And you can see that his artwork was very different, a bit chaotic, a little dark.

[00:25:54] He was diagnosed schizophrenic. And yet, when I brought him through, he was the most powerful, wise, formerly in a body person I had ever connected with to that point. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So the point is, the dangers is sometimes you can have this widening of the lens, lifting of the veil, and not be ready for the experiences that you have.

[00:26:24] Yeah. We live beyond this experience, is what you're saying. We go beyond this. Absolutely, yes. Do our personalities remain? Do we still, you know, can I talk to Joe, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Eternally, eternally, even if the soul reincarnates for another experience, this is a pattern of consciousness. It's a narrative that we're living as consciousness itself, living the Jim story, the Suzanne story.

[00:26:53] Everybody state your name. You are consciousness playing a role. Why? For the fullness of that experience, right? Ups and downs, the fullness of experiencing life, which is an acronym for love in full expression. So we, in America, we feel it's our right to happiness, but we didn't come here just for the happiness. We came here for the contrast.

[00:27:23] And when you come to know that underneath the story is this piece that does pass all understanding, it puts a different, gives you a different perspective when you face challenges that will come even when you awaken. So why, tell me again, because I know you just told me, but tell me again, why, why would we do this? Why would we, you know, come into this world and, you know,

[00:27:52] have these challenges? Jim, do you write, write anything creative? Do you write any songs? Do you do any artwork? What's your creative passion? I do, I do some fiction writing. Okay. So has there come a time when you had an idea that came into mind and you just had to write it down? Oh yeah. Okay. Because especially with fiction, there's a world of possibility, limitless possibilities you can write about.

[00:28:21] So imagine you are pure consciousness, just this, this ever present aware presence that is aware. That's what I said, aware and filled with so much possibility. You have to express it. You have to express yourself with a capital S. Why be aware? Why be at all? If not to express it. And so this consciousness arises.

[00:28:51] It's like the sea waves up. It becomes into waves and every wave is unique. And yet it's still part of the same ocean, the sea of consciousness. So every person is a direct expression of consciousness. We're all experiencing life for the consciousness that had to express as you uniquely. Some people believe that we have sole contracts,

[00:29:21] that we've made deals on the other side and this is what's going to happen. Some people say, no, that's not what happens. Do you think, are we destined for something, you know, to fulfill this contract or do we have choice or is it somewhere in between? I can only say it certainly appears that way. And it's, and it's, that's the way it's been, that we do have contracts. Okay. For certain major events, milestones and experiences. Yeah.

[00:29:51] From the evidence that I get from across the veil and then even the experiences people have here of a child that says to them young, I'm not going to live past 23. And then they die by natural causes at 23. That's one of thousands of stories that I've personally heard from others. When they know they're going to pass or. I never knew I'd be a medium, but I do believe my soul knew it.

[00:30:21] I mean, how did I end up in this crazy path being aid to the head of the U S military? When, when I heard that he was going to ask me for that, it came with this knowing this is really going to happen. And it almost made no sense. I mean, he was an army four-star special forces general. And here I am this Navy commander with no warfare experience whatsoever. And female.

[00:30:49] And it just, it's part of that web. Everything. When you look back, you can see the perfection in it. So we're experiencing this life. We, we choose to experience it on, on, on a higher level. I know you mentioned in the book, one of the books that we live forever in, in this continuum, but your dad said to you one time, why would I want to live forever? And I, you know,

[00:31:19] I think about that because there, there are times in our experience where it's like, Oh man, I have to do this again. Exactly. Let's put it this way. Yeah. Why would you want to live this life forever? Because the bodies do break down or my husband and I are starting to experience this, you know, man is challenging as you get older. And, and, and you actually have most of the experiences that we come here to experience in a lifetime. It just look at the trajectory of humanity,

[00:31:50] right? You come in, you have your child or your adolescence, then you start focusing on family. Then you focus on career. Then the family goes their way. So then you focus on retirement. And now what else is there? So why would you want to live that again in this storyline, but you get across the veil. This story is revealed to be your beautiful narrative that you just experienced. You mine it for all its work. Did I, did I use every opportunity to shine my light?

[00:32:16] Was I as loving as I could have been in the life review? You see missed opportunities and there wells up this. Wow. I get it now. What it was all about. I would actually like to go do that again, but maybe take with me a little of the wisdom and do better this next time with a different set of circumstances. And that comes from the soul level, not the human that says I would never do that. Yeah.

[00:32:46] So when we communicate with folks across the veil, you know, are they watching us all the time? You know, when I take a shower, is somebody judging me? It's just so funny. How many people are hung up about that? Well, I know that. And that's why I asked that. I don't, I don't really think that they care about that, but I do hear people asking about that. They don't care. And one of the times they do come is when you're in the shower. Why? You're relaxed. You're open.

[00:33:14] And there's something about water that shifts our energy fields. Yes. Yes. Yeah. They don't, their souls who know now they're living a story, but they're still connected to their story and to you by the heart. So they look in on us all the time. Those across the veil say that they're closer to us from that side of the veil than when they were here. And let me just give you an example, because I haven't shared a lot of evidence.

[00:33:43] So it all sounds like theory, but just an example. Every time I do a session, I ask the spirits. I don't even have to ask. They know I want it for a current event. Something going on in their loved one. Here's life now that shows they're aware of that. So they definitely see all the big things. They'll describe a recent wedding or the birth of a grandchild or that somebody's pregnant. They know about those things. But even little things like this one woman across the veil,

[00:34:13] it was my client's mother showed me a beautiful potted plant. It was very clearly a lily, big, long green leaves, a white flower. In a, in a clay pot. And my client said, Nope, I don't know what that is. And I said, well, your mother's making my current event symbol. This is happening now. And she said, I don't know what it is. Five minutes after the reading, Jim, the woman calls me back. She said, Oh my God, Suzanne, the doorbell rang in the middle of the session,

[00:34:42] but I didn't want to interrupt the connection we were enjoying. So I went and I just checked and a lily was delivered by a florist to my front door while we were talking. So what does that show you? I'm not reading my client's mind. She didn't even know it, but mom saw it. This is one example of thousands.

[00:35:07] This preponderance of the evidence has taken away this Navy commander's complete doubt and skepticism that it's real. There's no doubt. And, and people who doubt it, they're missing out on a lot of wonder and love and joy and peace. So I just ask people to be curious and ask, what if, what if that's real? What if I could have my own experience?

[00:35:34] What if I didn't care what other people said about me? If I dive into this. So signs are something that you request and something that should you actively look for a sign or should you just let it kind of. Let it come to for sure. Be aware that our loved ones send us signs that they're around. It's one of their easiest ways of communicating because it's so hard for us to hear them and see them.

[00:36:02] But you first need to understand how the signs work. It's again, a merging of consciousness. For example, if you see a yellow butterfly fly by, that's not a sign. That's a butterfly. But what if your loved one merges their consciousness with that butterfly? And the butterfly doesn't need to speak a language, just gets this urge to fly towards you and land on your hand and stay there.

[00:36:30] That urge is coming from your loved one, kind of guiding them out of love to send you a sign through an unusual behavior. And the recipient of that visit or that sign will also have a knowing. That's a sign for me because you're part of that resonant field. Now, I know you've started by communicating with loved ones across the veil.

[00:37:00] And that sort of expanded into other phenomenon. And you talked a little bit about, well, you talked a lot about angels, guides, and then eventually channeling what you call the Council of Poets and Sanaya. How did you start going down that path? And, you know, how do I deal? Are these different levels of energy?

[00:37:25] Or are, I mean, I sometimes, I've read some of the stuff in other books. And I sometimes feel like a little overwhelmed. Oh my gosh, I don't know who to contact. You know, there are 20 people in between. Just leave it up to Spirit. Absolutely. You're all sharing the one mind anyway. So it's really a source having fun with itself.

[00:37:47] And so how it unfolded for me was just a very natural progression of sitting each day and saying, what do I need to know? What do I need to see? What's next? Where do I go? What do you have for me? It was just this interacting with intelligence and knowing that if I was open to anything, I might have experiences I didn't expect. And that's exactly what happened every step of the way. It continues to happen.

[00:38:18] With channeling, I sometimes get stuck on it a little bit because there are a lot of people these days, especially because I think consciousness is changing or growing at least. And so there are a lot of people that are outwardly expressing the fact that they channel or the belief that they channel. And I'm not doubting that that's possible because honestly, I say you get wisdom where you get wisdom.

[00:38:45] You know, so I it doesn't matter what necessarily what the person says, you know, where that wisdom comes from in some senses. But I have actually read some channeling material that, you know, like it seems like the channeled entities are like arguing with each other. I swear I have. Then how did that feel to you when you read that? It did not feel good. And that's the indicator that that's not really pure channeling. Okay.

[00:39:15] And and so I'm not saying I'm. Okay, what can I say here about that? How did you feel when you read the channel work in my book Always Connected? Oh, it felt good. Yeah. It felt it felt like it resonated. Yeah, resonates. And that's what we look for. I've been channeling Sinai since 2010. Their messages don't contradict each other over the years. It rings as truth. I feel open when I hear their messages.

[00:39:44] And most people do resonate with it because we have the free Awakened Way app with a daily message from Sinai every day. We have over 75,000 downloads so far. That's great. Yeah. Because it inspires us. That's what they're here to do. Inspire us. Give us practical tools for our lives here and connecting across the veil. And that's why I do it.

[00:40:11] Because the messages continue to be helpful, healing, comforting, beautiful, expansive, educational. So what is Sinai, the collective that you know of as Sinai? What is it that exactly? They are individual fields of consciousness or beings, non-physical beings, who come through both as a group and at times individually.

[00:40:38] Some of them have identified themselves from time to time. And when they have, I've asked them for evidence. Like Emanuel Swedenborg came through. I could actually see him in my mind's eye. And he told, I said, you have to tell me things about you I don't know. He said he's a member of the Sinai collective. And he told me how he had invented things that were way ahead of his time and that he was declared a heretic. That's a word I wouldn't normally bring up. Told me a bunch of things that I wrote down as I'm hearing from him.

[00:41:07] And I looked it up, Googled him afterwards. Sure enough, an inventor, a heretic, all kinds of things. So he's one. William James, the philosopher, who was very interested in spirit communication, is another. Same thing. Put him to the spot. He told me things I couldn't have known. But the sign game, in some cases, is unnecessary because I can just tell this is a higher being.

[00:41:32] And there are several beings in the group that have never identified themselves and don't need to for my sake. I just appreciate their help. Every time I teach a class, every time I do a podcast or an interview like this one, I pause for a moment. I just shift my focus, connect with them, and they assure me their words will be my words and vice versa. We merge and I make sure that the answers are coming as much from them as from me.

[00:42:03] I really want to ask this question that you, in the book, talk about experiencing communication or conversation with Odin. And, you know, now we assume, a lot of us assume, at least in this culture, that, you know, the Norse god Odin is part of myth, you know? Yeah. I want to understand what it is that you were experiencing with that. Yeah.

[00:42:31] I have a video, something about she communicated with the Norse god, tells the whole story. Okay. But nobody was more blown away than I was when this being stepped into my morning meditation. I could actually see him. He looked like Moses to me, the way Moses depicted. Older man, long white beard, long white hair, serious. And so I said, who are you? That's the E that we didn't get to.

[00:43:01] Engage higher consciousness if you sense it. Don't just wonder, who are you? And he says, Odin. And I said, okay, I don't know who that is because I didn't, never studied him at that point. I didn't know who I was. Like, I think I might have heard that name. And so right away, I said, tell me about you with evidence that I can look up. And he told me ridiculous things. Like, I had a flying horse. Well, I write it down.

[00:43:30] I physically got a pain in my side that made me say, ouch, out loud. And he told me to look up runes. Runes. Are you N-E-S? They're important to him. Various other things. I looked it all up. And I found out he was the head of the Norse god pantheon, right? All father of the Norse gods in mythology who had allegedly in the stories, a flying horse.

[00:44:00] And who hung upside down from this famous tree and looked down and saw these stones and they became runes. And he was hanging there with a spear piercing his side right where I got a physical pain. So this is all my personal experience. It's not a shared experience. So people might say that's not real. But why do we have these experiences? So we learn from them.

[00:44:30] So in that visit, Odin said to me, well, I went to him afterwards. Afterwards, after looking him up and I said, if you can come back to me, I have some questions. So please come back. And he did. And I said to him, are you real? And he said, as real as you are, but not human. And I said, but you are a myth.

[00:44:59] And Jim, he replied so quickly, you are a myth. Now think about that. We are all consciousness living these narratives that we call the story of Jim and the story of Suzanne. And that's what survives the body's death. We continue living the story. What is a myth? A story. He was a conscious sentient being communicating with me. What is a being?

[00:45:27] An expression of consciousness that has certain characteristics and personality and a narrative. So he wasn't real in the physical sense. But his narrative is as real as my narrative. And then that's when the teaching ensued. And he said, and this was key.

[00:45:48] Anything that you can create in consciousness is real and can provide healing, comfort, education, growth, and such. Stop questioning what is real. Yeah. And learn from it. So that was just a little bit of the teaching that he shared. The rest is more of it in the book, always connected.

[00:46:11] But that really stretched me and caused me to understand more deeply the nature of consciousness. It doesn't have to be in human form or animal form to teach us and to help evolution. That's fascinating. That's fascinating. What kinds of things can we go to spirit and guides and these energies for?

[00:46:41] I mean, are there... Anything. Anything. Anything. Physical healing, wisdom, guidance. Bowling. Can I go for bowling? You can ask for, how can I do better at bowling? Why do I keep getting gutter balls? And then you sit and you listen. Listen. So that's what you do. You basically, you give it to the energy and sit back and listen. Is that what it is? That's it. Yes, absolutely.

[00:47:10] And you might not get an answer right away. Sometimes you do. Have pen and paper ready when you ask directly of higher consciousness. But other times it'll come in, all of a sudden you find just the right book and you open to this page and there's exactly what you wanted. Or somebody starts up a conversation and you never even mentioned you'd ask for this guidance.

[00:47:31] Or you meet a stranger and you strike up a conversation and they say, hey, do you like bowling? And you're like, why in the world would this person mention that? That's the way you start to see the universe respond when you start engaging it. I just get a sense that my mom is probably laughing because she was a good bowler and I'm not a good bowler.

[00:48:03] So maybe she can help me with that, I guess. I have no doubt. Yeah. So, I mean, tell me if this is out of balance and I will strike you from the record. Are you experiencing anything from me or in connection with me? I am not. And here's why. Because I'm not a born medium. No, you don't have to strike this. It's very important to understand. I don't see the spirits.

[00:48:31] It requires that shift in frequency. And right now, I am so focused on this conversation. My energy is resonating with you. I am listening to my guides who are showing me things. But our intention is not to connect with spirit. But if we were to set up a time and I would sit and I would expand my field with the intention of coming into resonance with your mother, she would know about that. And we'd have a conversation. Interesting.

[00:49:01] Interesting. I get occasional drop-ins. But I'm glad it doesn't happen all the time because my personality is such that I would want to give a message to everybody and I wouldn't have a life. I imagine it can feel overwhelming because a lot of people are asking a lot of you and not necessarily doing the work themselves to get where they... I said it is. Let's make that it can be. Yeah.

[00:49:29] Because I want to help everybody, but that's just not the way it works. I have to understand and recognize we all get what we need exactly when we need it. We're living in... Well, some of us would consider this kind of a perilous time in some ways. There's a lot going on, at least. It feels energetically there's a lot going on.

[00:49:52] And I'm wondering what kind of thoughts or things you can give to us that might help us move in a positive way in these times. Navigate it. I can start off by saying that definitely more people are open to conversations like this. More people are coming to know that consciousness, in my understanding, is the fundamental essence of all that is.

[00:50:21] It is primary, not the brain. And that we can tap into guidance and peace. And as we come to know who we are, we can't hurt others. We find ways to connect and to resolve conflicts in a loving way. But clearly, a lot of people are not there yet. But at the same time, there have been perilous times throughout history.

[00:50:48] I found a book not too long ago, and I opened it up and was reading it at the beginning. And it said, these are chaotic times. There's war. There's this and that. People are fighting each other. We don't understand each other. And this little voice said, look at the copyright. And I turned back, and it was 1946. Yeah. Yeah. So this is human nature. This is love consciousness in full expression.

[00:51:16] And until we part the veil, shift our frequency, widen the lens, we're not going to resolve the conflicts. We're going to stay in our little silos with our constricted view that doesn't help anybody. Mm-hmm. So it's really a lot about opening up our energy, all of us taking steps to open up our energy. There are people that seem to avoid that.

[00:51:45] And some would say that, you know, in our culture, perhaps, you know, we get addicted to social media. We have all this stuff coming at us all over the place. What would you say to folks that, you know, just don't open themselves to that? I mean, what can, how can we express to people, you know, this is good. I don't know if it's even something we should. It's not our job to change the world.

[00:52:12] We're here to find within ourselves the light and shine it. And the more of us that do that, we automatically affect those around us. Gotcha. So I learned this just by being in relationship, right? We want to change our partner so that we are more comfortable, you know? And so there are people that are blinded to who they are based on their past stories, the way they were raised.

[00:52:40] And really what I've been teaching lately is this concept that there are two parts of our nature at every moment. There's our base operating system. I call it operating system one, OS one. There's the base that is pure being. That's joy. I talk about joy in my book. That is. Yes. Very strong presence for you. Yeah. The unfiltered light of consciousness flowing through us and as us operating system one.

[00:53:07] And then from the moment you learn language and start interacting with parents, you start taking on what I call the overlays. It's the elements of the story that add up and add up and add up. So think of a transparency projector. Remember those from school? Oh, yeah. I remember those. Shines the light through. The light is shining through you right now. But everything you've been taught and you've experienced, they're the transparencies. And they pile up until the light is, you're not even aware of the light anymore.

[00:53:36] That's the people that don't get it and are not opening up. But through our own personal volition, through our own choices, through our soul inside just saying, come on, your love and full expression. We remove the overlays. The overlay, the narrative is OS two, operating system two. They both run in tandem. There's nothing wrong with OS two, but it can block your light.

[00:54:04] So the goal is to have the narrative, but let it be so transparent that joy shines through. That's the basic teaching of the awakened way. Oh, that's interesting. That's great. That's great. I love how you term it as an operating system. I think that's a really cool way to look at it. It has systems and rules, right?

[00:54:29] But when we shift, when we identify as OS two, the narrative, and don't realize we are all one shared operating system, one. That's when the conflicts arise. That's when suffering ensues. We still suffer when you were awakened, but just for a little time, then we return to base is what I say. You notice the suffering and you return to base.

[00:54:59] It's a big, ah, like one of the chapters in the book, right? Ah. Right. Mm-hmm. That's awesome. Well, I got a lot from your books and I really enjoyed them. I mean, it is that awe feeling, you know, when you kind of get this loving reinforcement of the energy of life.

[00:55:24] Do you have any, are there any questions that you haven't been asked that you'd like to be asked or things you would like to say that make, or actually final words you'd like to leave with our listeners? Anything along those lines? Yes, yes, yes, yes. That OS one and OS two together form your wholeness. You're already whole and complete.

[00:55:47] Many spiritual teachers don't emphasize the fact that we may be broken in the OS two operating system two narrative, but OS one is whole and complete. It's right here, right now. It's you. It's here. Just uncover it. So despite what anybody told you, my guides end every message with, you are so very loved.

[00:56:11] If, as I say that, you can't accept it or you think it's BS, then it is. Belief system. That's what BS stands for, for me. So examine your belief system, your BS that's causing you to not realize you are deserving of love because you are love in full expression as the base operating system one.

[00:56:37] Discover that for yourself by doing the sip of the divine and just noticing what is already here before the next thought arises. That's the base. What is present right here before the next sensation or feeling arises? That's what you are in meditation.

[00:56:59] That carries over to the day and you start to notice the difference between this base that's always here, aware presence, consciousness, OS one, and the BS of OS two. But as you clear away the BS, you're left with a new belief system that we're already whole, we're already worthy. And that's a narrative we're focusing upon. Yeah. And it feels so much better too. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[00:57:29] Suzanne, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on Big Universe. Thank you for coming, buddy. Such a joy to share. Thank you for doing this program and helping people. And for your podcast too, make sure you listen to Suzanne's podcast on mindbodyspirit.fm. Yep. Always connected every Sunday, most of the time live at 9 Pacific noon Eastern. Suzanne Giesemann.

[00:57:54] Suzanne Giesemann is a spiritual teacher, author, and medium recognized on the Watkins list of the 100 most spiritually influential living people. She's a former Navy commander and an aide to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. She's published 17 books. Go to her YouTube channel. There's lots of great videos on there. As we just said, she hosts the Always Connected podcast.

[00:58:17] And her latest book is Always Connected, How to Find Comfort, Clarity, and Direction from the Spirit Within. And what's the website that people could go to? SuzanneGiesemann.com. Yep. Awesome. Make sure you check that out. Folks, let people know about this podcast. It would be really cool. Thanks so much for joining me, Suzanne. Thanks, everybody. I'm Jim Lefter. We'll talk next time on Big Universe.